Legislature(2011 - 2012)HOUSE FINANCE 519

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01:39:40 PM Budget Overview: Department of Natural Resources
02:56:04 PM Budget Overview: Department of Administration
03:23:39 PM Adjourn
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Dept. of Natural Resources
Dept. of Administration
                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     January 24, 2011                                                                                           
                         1:39 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:39:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas  called the House Finance  Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at approximately 1:38  p.m. [NOTE: The first minute                                                                    
or so  of the  meeting was  not recorded  on BASIS;  the Co-                                                                    
Chair  noted  who  was  present   and  the  first  testifier                                                                    
introduced himself.]                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bill Stoltze, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Bill Thomas Jr., Co-Chair                                                                                        
Representative Anna Fairclough, Vice-Chair                                                                                      
Representative Mia Costello                                                                                                     
Representative Mike Doogan                                                                                                      
Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                     
Representative David Guttenberg                                                                                                 
Representative Mark Neuman                                                                                                      
Representative Tammie Wilson                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Les Gara                                                                                                         
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Mike Chenault;  Representative Dan  Saddler;                                                                    
Daniel  S.  Sullivan,  Commissioner, Department  of  Natural                                                                    
Resources;  Jeanmarie Davis,  Director, Division  of Support                                                                    
Services, Department  of Natural Resources;  Becky Hultberg,                                                                    
Commissioner, Department of Administration.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
BUDGET OVERVIEWS:                                                                                                               
     Department of Natural Resources                                                                                            
     Department of Administration                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
^BUDGET OVERVIEW: DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:39:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[NOTE:  The  first  few  minutes of  the  meeting  were  not                                                                    
recorded, during  which the commissioner  introduced himself                                                                    
and said the following.]                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
DANIEL  S.  SULLIVAN,  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT  OF  NATURAL                                                                    
RESOURCES,  provided  a   PowerPoint  presentation,  "Alaska                                                                    
Department   of  Natural   Resources,  House   Finance  FY12                                                                    
Overview" (copy  on file). He  noted that the  Department of                                                                    
Natural  Resources  (DNR) was  a  large  agency and  he  was                                                                    
committed  to learning  the details  of its  functioning. In                                                                    
addition,  he  emphasized  the critical  importance  of  the                                                                    
agency's relationship  with the  legislature. He  knew there                                                                    
would not always  be agreement on policy  issues, but stated                                                                    
his commitment to making the process work.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:39:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Sullivan  began with  the first slide,  "Who We                                                                    
Are and What We Do":                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
   · Article 8, Section 1 of the Alaska Constitution                                                                            
     provides  that  "it  is  the policy  of  the  State  to                                                                    
     encourage   the  settlement   of  its   land  and   the                                                                    
     development of  its resources by making  them available                                                                    
     for maximum use consistent with the public interest."                                                                      
   · Article 8, Section 2 provides that the "legislature                                                                        
     shall  provide for  the  utilization, development,  and                                                                    
     conservation of all natural  resources belonging to the                                                                    
     State,  including  land  and waters,  for  the  maximum                                                                    
     benefit of its people."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Sullivan   continued  that   the  department's                                                                    
mission was taken from  the constitution: Develop, conserve,                                                                    
and  enhance  natural  resources   for  present  and  future                                                                    
Alaskans.  He pointed  to  a map  of  Alaska with  different                                                                    
colors  showing   federal,  Native,  and  state   lands.  He                                                                    
emphasized the  enormity of the  amount of land  under state                                                                    
control. He  listed other important functions  of DNR ("What                                                                    
We Do"):                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   · DNR manages (1) the state's land - approximately 100                                                                       
     million  acres   of  uplands,   60  million   acres  of                                                                    
     tidelands,  shore  lands,   and  submerged  lands,  and                                                                    
     40,000 miles  of coastline -  and (2) the  state's vast                                                                    
     energy and natural resources                                                                                               
   · State land use and the natural resources developed                                                                         
     from  state  land  are  the  primary  source  of  state                                                                    
     revenue                                                                                                                    
   · DNR also manages state parklands; conducts wildland                                                                        
     fire  suppression;  and  supports the  agriculture  and                                                                    
     timber industries in Alaska                                                                                                
   · Another important function of DNR is obtaining and                                                                         
     providing the  geologic, hydrologic, land  records, and                                                                    
     other  information needed  to  manage  and utilize  the                                                                    
     state's natural resources                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Sullivan turned  to  a  slide with  statistics                                                                    
about "Employees and Budget":                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   · DNR currently employs about 1,100 Alaskans in full-                                                                        
     time  and  seasonal  positions, with  main  offices  in                                                                    
     Anchorage, Juneau, Fairbanks,  and Palmer, and regional                                                                    
     offices throughout the state.                                                                                              
   · Our FY11 operating budget is $152.5 million, which                                                                         
     includes funding for AGIA implementation                                                                                   
  · Our FY12 operating budget request is $153.7 million,                                                                        
     made up of:                                                                                                                
        o 48% Unrestricted General Fund                                                                                         
        o 17% Designated General Fund                                                                                           
       o 23% Other funds including industry receipts                                                                            
        o 12% Federal                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Sullivan  noted  that  the FY  12  budget  was                                                                    
approximately $1 million greater than the year before.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Sullivan  directed   attention  to   a  slide                                                                    
depicting an organizational chart of the agencies in DNR.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:42:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg  noted  that the  Alaska  Gasline                                                                    
Inducement  Act  (AGIA)  Coordinator's Office  position  was                                                                    
vacant on  the flow chart  and asked whether  the department                                                                    
was   interviewing  applicants   in   order   to  fill   it.                                                                    
Commissioner  Sullivan  replied   that  the  department  was                                                                    
actively  looking and  wanted  an energetic,  knowledgeable,                                                                    
and qualified candidate for the position.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Sullivan  reported  his   intent  to  give  an                                                                    
overview of  each division within the  department along with                                                                    
a sense of each division's mission.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Division of Oil and Gas:                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   · Kevin Banks, Director                                                                                                      
   · 105 full and part time budgeted positions                                                                                  
   · 10.82% of DNR's FY12 Operating Budget Request                                                                              
   · $16,624.5 budget request (all sources)                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Sullivan   detailed  that  the  oil   and  gas                                                                    
division was  one of  the most important,  and that  it held                                                                    
annual  oil and  gas  lease sales,  managed exploration  and                                                                    
development  activities on  state lands,  conducted resource                                                                    
evaluations, and  promoted Alaska oil and  gas. In addition,                                                                    
the division  assured appropriate oversight  and maintenance                                                                    
of oil and gas infrastructure and facilities.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Division of Mining, Land and Water                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Sullivan  described the divisino as  the "heart                                                                    
and soul" of DNR.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
   · Wyn Menefee, Acting Director                                                                                               
   · 207 full and part time budgeted positions                                                                                  
   · 15.27% of DNR's FY12 Operating Budget Request                                                                              
   · $23,481.2 budget request (all sources)                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Sullivan detailed  that the  work done  by the                                                                    
division  touched  on  all  aspects   of  DNR's  work,  from                                                                    
acquiring land  from the federal  government and  for public                                                                    
purposes to  defending state ownership  interests, including                                                                    
navigable   waters   and   easements.  The   division   also                                                                    
authorized commercial  and recreational use of  state lands,                                                                    
sold state  land to individuals,  and managed  water sources                                                                    
and water rights.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:45:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze asked for  details regarding the management                                                                    
of state  park lands. He  queried the acreage of  park lands                                                                    
and   the  definition   of  "park   lands."   He  wanted   a                                                                    
philosophical  discussion  in  relation  to  the  divisions.                                                                    
Commissioner  Sullivan replied  that  the goal  was to  make                                                                    
Alaska's parks the  pride of all Alaskans, which  he did not                                                                    
think was currently the case.  He offered to provide numbers                                                                    
related to the amount of  park lands, noting that Alaska had                                                                    
more park lands than any other state in the country.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stoltze   referenced   historical   aversion   to                                                                    
designated  use  of  parks  and described  a  desire  for  a                                                                    
multiple-use approach.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan asked  what  the empty  boxes on  the                                                                    
organizational  chart   represented.  Commissioner  Sullivan                                                                    
replied that the white  boxes designated subdivisions within                                                                    
each division and did not represent position vacancies.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:49:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Wilson queried  potential lawsuits related to                                                                    
claiming  navigable  waters  on Bureau  of  Land  Management                                                                    
(BLM) land.  She noted constituent concerns  in the Mosquito                                                                    
Fork  area.  Commissioner  Sullivan   offered  to  get  more                                                                    
information.  He added  that the  issue  had been  carefully                                                                    
considered when  he worked as  the Attorney General  for the                                                                    
Department of  Law (DOL).  He referred  to a  legal strategy                                                                    
related  to navigable  waters, including  a petition  to the                                                                    
U.S. Secretary  of the Interior to  rescind regulations that                                                                    
DOL  felt  violated  the   Alaska  National  Interest  Lands                                                                    
Conservation Act (ANILCA) with  regard to U.S. National Park                                                                    
Service regulations and the authority  by which actions were                                                                    
conducted  on  Alaska's  navigable waters.  He  assured  the                                                                    
committee that DNR  would continue to be  vigilant about the                                                                    
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson asked  whether the  funds would  come                                                                    
out  of the  DNR budget  if the  state had  to go  to court.                                                                    
Commissioner Sullivan  replied that  the funding  would most                                                                    
likely  be a  combination of  both DOL  and DNR  funding for                                                                    
DOL.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair  Fairclough hoped  navigable  waters referred  to                                                                    
larger  waterways.  She   commented  on  Co-Chair  Stoltze's                                                                    
reference  to   the  accessibility  of  parks   specific  to                                                                    
District 17,  where the park land  was in a valley  with the                                                                    
water draining  towards the  valley. Under  past leadership,                                                                    
residents  who had  developed property  above the  park land                                                                    
were not allowed  access or improvements. The  park had been                                                                    
non-receptive to the municipalities.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Sullivan  commented that he had  been listening                                                                    
to Alaskans  regarding DNR issues,  and that the  subject of                                                                    
access had come up frequently.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair  Fairclough wanted  discussion about  more access                                                                    
to parks, including where horses could be taken.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:53:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello referred to  a DNR increment to fill                                                                    
five positions in the Division  of Mining, Land and Water to                                                                    
address   the  2,376   permit  backlog.   She  referred   to                                                                    
discussion with  constituents regarding  the length  of time                                                                    
permits  were taking.  She asked  whether the  new positions                                                                    
would be  able to take care  of the backlog and  queried the                                                                    
timeline.  Commissioner Sullivan  acknowledged the  issue of                                                                    
"permitting  efficiencies,"  including both  timeliness  and                                                                    
certainty in  terms of permitting decisions.  He stated that                                                                    
he had asked his team to  look at issues such as overlap and                                                                    
redundancy   related  to   federal  and   state  permitting,                                                                    
regulatory  issues  that did  not  make  sense, as  well  as                                                                    
statutory  mandates  that  might  need to  be  reviewed.  He                                                                    
referred  to  an  experienced deputy  who  was  leading  the                                                                    
effort. He believed the budget  increment requested would be                                                                    
helpful,  but he  also  believed the  problem  was not  only                                                                    
about  personnel. He  thought the  department should  take a                                                                    
step back and  determine whether the process  was working as                                                                    
well as  it could, including whether  information technology                                                                    
(IT) upgrades were needed.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg referred  to a  bill that  he was                                                                    
sponsoring that  would address the  management of  parks and                                                                    
provide  opportunity  to  discuss  the  philosophy  of  park                                                                    
management.  He  referred to  China's  control  of its  rare                                                                    
earth elements  and queried  potential initiatives  from the                                                                    
administration  to  develop  and mine  Alaska's  rare  earth                                                                    
elements. Commissioner Sullivan  replied in the affirmative.                                                                    
He noted that the governor  had highlighted the issue in his                                                                    
State  of the  State address.  He referred  to an  increment                                                                    
request and noted that his  team was working intently on the                                                                    
issue. He stated that his  philosophy was to go "on offense"                                                                    
related to resource development, and  he wanted Alaska to be                                                                    
in the forefront of the rare earth elements issue.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:59:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair Fairclough referred  to a story of  a family that                                                                    
had relocated out of Alaska  due to permitting problems. She                                                                    
asked whether  the permitting  process could  be streamlined                                                                    
when  federal  land   was  involved.  Commissioner  Sullivan                                                                    
replied  that  he  wanted to  review  specific  examples  of                                                                    
experiences in  Alaska. He noted  that DNR was  looking into                                                                    
state and  federal overlap.  He thought  improvements should                                                                    
be made in  situations where the federal  government and the                                                                    
state required identical permitting.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair  Fairclough  asked  whether  state  property  had                                                                    
different  regulations than  federal property.  Commissioner                                                                    
Sullivan replied that he would get the answer.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Division of Forestry                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
   · Chris Maisch, Director                                                                                                     
   · 280 full and part time budgeted positions (does not                                                                        
     include the hundreds of fire season crews)                                                                                 
   · 25.38% of DNR's FY12 Operating Budget Request                                                                              
   · $38,988.6 budget request (all sources)                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Sullivan  detailed that the  division comprised                                                                    
a large part  of the DNR budget and that  the division's two                                                                    
key  functions were  fire-protection  services and  managing                                                                    
three state forests. He referred  to successes in supporting                                                                    
timber harvesting and  processing, including the wood-pellet                                                                    
mill  in  Fairbanks,  harvesting  in  Tok,  and  a  bio-mass                                                                    
facility that had recently opened in the state.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas queried the severity  of forest fires in the                                                                    
state during  the prior year. Commissioner  Sullivan offered                                                                    
to  get  more  information.  He  noted  that  the  increment                                                                    
requested in the  supplemental had been high  and that there                                                                    
had been extensive activity in the Interior.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg commended  the work  of the  fire                                                                    
crews.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:04:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Wilson noted  the  status  of the  Fairbanks                                                                    
North Star Borough relative  to the Environmental Protection                                                                    
Agency (EPA) and  queried air-quality problems. Commissioner                                                                    
Sullivan responded that Alaska  had a strong and cooperative                                                                    
relationship   with  the   federal  government   related  to                                                                    
firefighting.   He  acknowledged   the  importance   of  the                                                                    
partnership.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg recalled  an initiative related to                                                                    
health  issues  because  of  smoke  created  by  fires.  The                                                                    
measure would  change the status  of a fire from  "let burn"                                                                    
to "attack" to assure the  issue was addressed. He asked for                                                                    
more  information. Commissioner  Sullivan asked  whether the                                                                    
issue  was  that fires  closer  to  communities should  have                                                                    
statutory priority.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg  clarified that the  issue related                                                                    
to the health effects of the smoke.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:07:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Division of Geological and Geophysical Surveys                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   · Bob Swenson, Director                                                                                                      
   · 48 full and part time budgeted positions                                                                                   
   · 5.85% of DNR's FY12 Operating Budget Request                                                                               
   · $8,983.2 budget request (all sources)                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Sullivan  detailed that  the division  had done                                                                    
outstanding  work  mapping  the  location  of  minerals  and                                                                    
getting  them  online. He  noted  that  the information  was                                                                    
important for industry when working  on investment issues in                                                                    
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Division of Coastal and Ocean Management                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   · Randy Bates, Director                                                                                                      
   · 33 full time budgeted positions                                                                                            
   · 3.05% of DNR's FY12 Operating Budget Request                                                                               
   · $4.691.7 budget request (all sources)                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Sullivan    detailed   that    the   division                                                                    
administered  the  Alaska  Coastal  Management  Program  and                                                                    
oversaw  Alaska's   participation  in  the   Coastal  Impact                                                                    
Assistance  Program,   which  distributed  funds   to  outer                                                                    
continental shelf  (OCS) states to help  mitigate impacts of                                                                    
OCS oil and gas activities.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neuman  referenced proposals put  together by                                                                    
division   director  Randy   Bates  to   make  the   coastal                                                                    
management division  more efficient  and more  responsive to                                                                    
communities.  He  asked  whether   the  proposals  would  be                                                                    
implemented  and  referred   to  frustrations  expressed  in                                                                    
communities. Commissioner Sullivan  responded that the issue                                                                    
of coastal  zone management had been  contentious during the                                                                    
previous year. He  had not seen the proposals  by Mr. Bates,                                                                    
but  he stressed  that the  administration wanted  to extend                                                                    
the program. He  referred to discussion in  Barrow about the                                                                    
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:12:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Division of Agriculture                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   · Franci Havemeister, Director                                                                                               
   · 46 full and part time budgeted positions                                                                                   
   · 4.74% of DNR's FY12 Operating Budget Request                                                                               
   · $7,282.4 budget request (all sources)                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze  referenced bond packages and  a greenhouse                                                                    
item and stressed the importance  of agricultural studies in                                                                    
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Division of Parks and Outdoor Recreation                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
   · Ben Ellis, Director                                                                                                        
   · 185 full and part time budgeted positions                                                                                  
   · 10.09% of DNR's FY12 Operating Budget Request                                                                              
   · $15,495.5 budget request (all sources)                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Sullivan pointed  out  that in  FY 10,  Alaska                                                                    
state parks were visited by  5.39 million people, 72 percent                                                                    
of whom were Alaska residents.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Division of Support Services                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
   · Jean Davis, Director                                                                                                       
   · 130 full and part time budgeted positions                                                                                  
   · 8.48% of DNR's FY12 Operating Budget Request                                                                               
   · $12,113.4 budget request (all sources)                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Sullivan  informed  the committee  that  there                                                                    
were offices in the department as well.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
State Pipeline Coordinator's Office                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
   · Mike Thompson, State Pipeline Coordinator                                                                                  
   · 31 full and part time budgeted positions                                                                                   
   · 5.07% of DNR's FY12 Operating Budget Request                                                                               
   · $7,789.2 budget request (all sources)                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Sullivan  commended work done by  the office on                                                                    
the  recent pipeline  shutdown  and  restart and  referenced                                                                    
"troubling" EPA issues.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Office of Project Management and Permitting                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   · Tom Crafford, Director                                                                                                     
   · 12 full time budgeted positions                                                                                            
   · 2.75% of DNR's FY12 Operating Budget Request                                                                               
   · $4,223.9 budget request (all sources)                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Sullivan  detailed that the  office coordinated                                                                    
the permitting for large projects.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Office of the AGIA Coordinator's Office                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Sullivan  reviewed  the  Office  of  the  AGIA                                                                    
Coordinator's Office,  which focused  on the  permitting for                                                                    
the Alaska natural gas pipeline under AGIA:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   · 9 full and part time budgeted positions                                                                                    
   · 2.32% of DNR's FY12 Operating Budget Request                                                                               
   · $3,563.3 budget request (all sources)                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Office of Mental Health Trust Lands                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
   · Greg Jones, Executive Director                                                                                             
   · 16 full and part time budgeted positions                                                                                   
   · 1.88% of DNR's FY12 Operating Budget Request                                                                               
   · $2,892.7 budget request (all sources)                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Sullivan  noted  that the  office  focuses  on                                                                    
management of  the real estate  assets of the  Mental Health                                                                    
Land Trust.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:15:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas  asked whether DNR  also managed  for timber                                                                    
sales. Commissioner Sullivan believed  that it did. Co-Chair                                                                    
Thomas referred  to letters he had  received requesting more                                                                    
timber sales in smaller communities.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Office of the Commissioner:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
   · Dan Sullivan, Commissioner                                                                                                 
   · 9 full time budgeted positions                                                                                             
   · 0.79% of DNR's FY12 Operating Budget Request                                                                               
   · $1,221.1 budget request (all sources)                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Sullivan   referred   to   the   Boards   and                                                                    
Commissions associated with DNR:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
   · Natural Resource Conservation & Development Board                                                                          
     (NRCDB)                                                                                                                    
   · Citizen's Advisory Commission on Federal Areas (CACFA)                                                                     
   · Board of Agriculture and Conservation                                                                                      
   · Board of Forestry                                                                                                          
   · Alaska Historical Commission                                                                                               
   · Alaska Royalty Oil and Gas Development Board                                                                               
   · Seismic Hazards Safety Commission                                                                                          
   · Outdoor Recreation Trails Advisory Board                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neuman  stated his opinion that  Alaska was a                                                                    
resource   extraction   state   rather   than   a   resource                                                                    
development   state.   He   wondered  what   direction   the                                                                    
departments were  being given to  use Alaska's  resources to                                                                    
create jobs for Alaskans. He felt  a great deal of money was                                                                    
used to transport resources out  of the state so that others                                                                    
could make money from developing them.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Sullivan  summarized what  he had  heard, seen,                                                                    
and learned  during his "engagement  tour" of the  state. He                                                                    
thought  there  were  challenges,   but  believed  that  the                                                                    
opportunities were greater. He  emphasized the importance of                                                                    
the issue  of partnership. He  listed a summary of  the main                                                                    
challenges  he had  garnered after  dozens  of meeting  with                                                                    
people throughout the state:                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   · TAPS throughput                                                                                                            
   · Aging infrastructure                                                                                                       
   · High energy costs throughout the state                                                                                     
   · Gas pipeline                                                                                                               
   · Cook Inlet energy                                                                                                          
   · Permitting efficiencies                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Sullivan provided  data  regarding the  Trans-                                                                    
Alaska Pipeline System (TAPS)  throughput because he thought                                                                    
the issue was enormous and needed to be addressed:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
   · In 2006, output was approximately 840,000 barrels per                                                                      
     day                                                                                                                        
   · In 2007, output was approximately 734,000 barrels per                                                                      
     day                                                                                                                        
   · In 2009, output was approximately 640,000 barrels per                                                                      
     day                                                                                                                        
   · Overall loss: 200,000 barrels per day                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Sullivan emphasized  that the  loss summed  up                                                                    
what the state was facing. He  pointed to a list of specific                                                                    
DNR-related challenges:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
   · Permitting efficiencies & workload                                                                                         
   · Federal land conveyance                                                                                                    
   · Litigation -defending permitting process                                                                                   
   · Forest management                                                                                                          
   · Unlocking resources                                                                                                        
   · Publicizing resources                                                                                                      
   · Management challenges                                                                                                      
   · Retention / Recruitment                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Sullivan thought the  issues could be addressed                                                                    
at the subcommittee level because  most of them were already                                                                    
addressed by elements within the governor's budget request.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair  Fairclough noted  that  there were  quite a  few                                                                    
positions in the  department that have been  unfunded in the                                                                    
past,  but  that  DNR  was   now  recommending  funding  for                                                                    
existing positions.  She thought  money had been  moved from                                                                    
the positions by the department  and asked where the funding                                                                    
had gone. Commissioner Sullivan did  not know the answer. He                                                                    
believed some  of the  funding was  federal. He  pointed out                                                                    
that there  were about  128 vacant  positions; part  of what                                                                    
was requested in  the governor's budget was  funding to fill                                                                    
the  positions. He  stressed the  importance of  filling the                                                                    
positions, particularly those related to permitting.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:22:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair Fairclough  reiterated her  desire to  know where                                                                    
the  funding  for the  positions  had  gone. She  hoped  the                                                                    
subcommittee would  look closely at the  positions that were                                                                    
federally funded.  She thought  money had been  removed from                                                                    
key positions for other reasons.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thomas pointed  out that  the department  had been                                                                    
asked whether  increments received  the year prior  had been                                                                    
spent to  hire the positions  the legislature had  given the                                                                    
department authority to hire.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JEANMARIE  DAVIS, DIRECTOR,  DIVISION  OF SUPPORT  SERVICES,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT   OF  NATURAL   RESOURCES,  explained   that  the                                                                    
department  had  received  some  additional  increments  the                                                                    
previous year  involving positions, particularly  within the                                                                    
Division  of  Agriculture. She  referred  to  funding for  a                                                                    
plant  health and  phytosanitary certification  position and                                                                    
reported that  the department was conducting  interviews and                                                                    
expected  the position  to  be hired  by  February 4.  Other                                                                    
funding for the Division of  Agriculture related to the Farm                                                                    
to School  Program; a development specialist  had been hired                                                                    
and had started  December 28 and had held the  first Farm to                                                                    
School Summit.  She added  that a  second position  would be                                                                    
filled for the program.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Davis continued  that there  had  been some  additional                                                                    
funding in the  area of oil and gas  for arbitration related                                                                    
to  oil and  gas  royalty  issues; DNR  was  involved in  an                                                                    
arbitration process with BP and ConocoPhillips.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Davis added that funding  had also been received for the                                                                    
Office of Project Management and  Permitting for work on OCS                                                                    
planning  and  the   environmental  impact  statement  (EIS)                                                                    
process.  A state  team  had been  developed  that had  been                                                                    
tracking   OCS   efforts,  particularly   Shell's   offshore                                                                    
exploration and drilling in the Beaufort Sea.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Costello  asked  for comment  regarding  how                                                                    
appropriations to  the department did not  necessarily match                                                                    
its division  structure. She wondered  how the  budget could                                                                    
be  clearer so  that  the public  could  understand it.  Ms.                                                                    
Davis agreed that  the budget could be clearer  and that the                                                                    
department was restructuring it.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:27:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan calculated  that  DNR was  requesting                                                                    
approximately  $1.2  million more  for  FY  12 than  it  had                                                                    
received  for FY  11. He  wondered whether  the request  was                                                                    
concentrated  in  any  particular  area or  whether  it  was                                                                    
spread   throughout   the  budget.   Commissioner   Sullivan                                                                    
believed the  increased amount was spread  out, though there                                                                    
was some  concentration related to  permitting efficiencies,                                                                    
both for  filling positions and capital  requests related to                                                                    
permitting IT needs.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Davis  added that the  difference was between the  FY 11                                                                    
management-plan numbers (the amount  DNR had to operate with                                                                    
for FY  11) and the  amount requested  for FY 12.  She noted                                                                    
that the  budget was  structured to have  an FY  12 adjusted                                                                    
base. In  the adjusted base,  each of the items  included in                                                                    
the FY 11 management  plan that were one-time appropriations                                                                    
or multi-year  appropriations got backed out  of the number.                                                                    
The  department then  started from  an adjusted  base number                                                                    
going  forward; that  number calculated  by the  Legislative                                                                    
Finance Division was about $7.2  million less than the FY 12                                                                    
request. The  department actually had about  $7.2 million of                                                                    
money throughout  the budget,  some of  it to  continue one-                                                                    
time items that  the legislature had funded  the prior year,                                                                    
and some for the new issues.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Doogan asked whether  the $1.2 million amount                                                                    
was in one  segment of the budget or  spread throughout. Ms.                                                                    
Davis  responded that  the bulk  of  the amount  was in  the                                                                    
Mining, Land and Water Division,  with some amounts in other                                                                    
divisions.  She  emphasized  the  difficulty  of  explaining                                                                    
because of the way the numbers were compared.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Doogan   noted   that   people   from   the                                                                    
departments often  had a  difficult time  explaining exactly                                                                    
where  money  was  going.  He  wanted to  be  able  to  make                                                                    
comparisons.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg  pointed out that  the Legislative                                                                    
Finance  Division  had  gone through  the  budget  book  and                                                                    
highlighted questioned areas. He  wanted the questions to be                                                                    
answered in the Finance Committee subcommittee.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Dan  Saddler  queried  funding  sources  for                                                                    
increased  staff  to  meet  permitting  needs.  Commissioner                                                                    
Sullivan  replied  that DNR  was  requesting  funds for  the                                                                    
Division  of   Mining,  Land  and  Water,   plus  additional                                                                    
requests for  litigation issues (approximately  $0.5 million                                                                    
between DNR and  DOL) related to permitting.  He referred to                                                                    
on-going  litigation related  to the  Pebble Beach  case and                                                                    
the   broader  issue   of  authority   being  addressed   in                                                                    
litigation between environmental groups and the state.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:32:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair  Fairclough returned  to  the  issue of  position                                                                    
vacancies. She relayed  that some years ago,  there had been                                                                    
a re-organization  to central  hiring. She  wondered whether                                                                    
the policy had created  barriers to hiring qualified people.                                                                    
Commissioner  Sullivan did  not know  the answer  related to                                                                    
the centralized hiring process.  He believed recruitment and                                                                    
retention  were important  issues  and had  to be  addressed                                                                    
aggressively. He referred to past experience.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair  Fairclough noted  that since  centralized hiring                                                                    
had  been implemented,  departments  had expressed  concerns                                                                    
regarding lag  time, which could be  substantial enough that                                                                    
qualified applicants found other  employment while they were                                                                    
waiting to  hear back. She  questioned whether  the approach                                                                    
saved money. She suggested that  the subcommittee review the                                                                    
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas requested a summary  of the amounts budgeted                                                                    
and  how the  funds  would  be spent.  He  hoped that  other                                                                    
departments would provide similar summaries.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner     Sullivan    emphasized     that    Alaska's                                                                    
opportunities,  especially  in   resource  development,  far                                                                    
outweighed   the  challenges.   He  directed   attention  to                                                                    
"Opportunities - Alaska as a Storehouse":                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
   · North Slope: world class energy basin                                                                                      
   · Massive mineral deposits                                                                                                   
   · Vast amounts of renewable resources                                                                                        
  · New players looking to unlock our resource potential                                                                        
   · Ongoing innovation                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Sullivan   stated   that  the   North   Slope                                                                    
hydrocarbon  basin  was still  a  world-class  basin by  any                                                                    
measure,  especially  when  including   the  OCS  areas.  He                                                                    
pointed to a list of  the state's specific resources, noting                                                                    
that if Alaska were a country,  it would rate in the top ten                                                                    
in the world:                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
  · Oil: 43 billion barrels of undiscovered, technically                                                                        
     recovery reserves; this does not include massive                                                                           
     quantities of unconventionals (shale, heavy oil, etc.)                                                                     
   · Gas: 236 trillion cubic feet of undiscovered,                                                                              
     technically recoverable reserves                                                                                           
  · Coal: 17% of the world's coal resources; 2nd most in                                                                        
     the world                                                                                                                  
  · Copper: 6% of the world's copper resources; 3rd most                                                                        
     in the world                                                                                                               
   · Lead: 2% of the world's lead resources; 6th most in                                                                        
     the world                                                                                                                  
   · Gold: 3% of the world's gold resources; 7th most in                                                                        
     the world                                                                                                                  
   · Zinc: 3% of the world's zinc resources; 8th most in                                                                        
     the world                                                                                                                  
  · Silver: 2% of the world's silver resources; 8th most                                                                        
     in the world                                                                                                               
  · Rare earth elements: Alaska has over 150 occurrences,                                                                       
     and one of N. America's most significant deposits                                                                          
   · Timber: Alaska has 17% of the nation's forestland                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:38:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Sullivan    stressed   the    importance   of                                                                    
partnership:                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
   · Stakeholders eager to form alliances                                                                                       
   · Partnership moves projects forward                                                                                         
   · Missing one key partner…                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Sullivan stated  that  the federal  government                                                                    
was  the  key missing  partner.  He  listed the  results  of                                                                    
federal obstruction:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
   · Projects delayed or derailed                                                                                               
   · Opportunities foreclosed                                                                                                   
   · Jobs lost and investment climate chilled                                                                                   
   · But we will redouble cooperation efforts                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Sullivan  referred   to  examples  of  federal                                                                    
obstruction. He  thought developing Alaskan  resources would                                                                    
be good for the country as  well as the state. He questioned                                                                    
whether  the  federal  government  was  abiding  by  law  in                                                                    
certain  circumstances, including  ANILCA,  the organic  act                                                                    
establishing the National  Petroleum Reserve-Alaska (NPR-A),                                                                    
and  the OCS  Lands Act.  He  argued that  the federal  laws                                                                    
listed  discussed  the   primary  importance  of  developing                                                                    
resources  in   Alaska  or   not  continuing   to  designate                                                                    
wilderness areas.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Sullivan   stated  that  DNR   would  increase                                                                    
efforts to  get cooperation with the  federal government. He                                                                    
thought  all  Alaskans  could  work   together  to  get  the                                                                    
partnership.  He  referred  to  an  op-ed  article  by  Tara                                                                    
Sweeney from  the Arctic Slope Regional  Corporation (ASRC),                                                                    
which  he felt  articulated the  frustrations many  Alaskans                                                                    
felt.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:42:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Sullivan  concluded with  a broader  vision and                                                                    
how some issues of sequencing  and opportunity over the next                                                                    
ten years could  mean a bright future for  Alaska ("State at                                                                    
a Crossroads: Bright Future"):                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
   · TAPS decline arrested                                                                                                      
   · OCS's elephant fields placed on-line                                                                                       
   · ANWR and NPR-A open for development                                                                                        
   · Innovation leads to unconventional and heavy oil                                                                           
     production                                                                                                                 
   · North Slope gas brought on-line                                                                                            
   · Mining production throughout the state                                                                                     
   · Cook Inlet resurgence                                                                                                      
  · Renewable resources meet state's growing energy needs                                                                       
   · Rural Alaska: jobs up & energy costs down                                                                                  
   · New markets for our resources                                                                                              
   · Value added industries                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Sullivan  stressed  that good  policies  could                                                                    
create the bright future for  both urban and rural Alaskans.                                                                    
However, there could  be an alternate future  which he hoped                                                                    
could   be  avoided   through  partnership   ("State  at   a                                                                    
Crossroads: Bleak Future"):                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
   · TAPS throughput decline accelerates                                                                                        
   · Aging infrastructure failures hamper operations                                                                            
   · Major energy companies leave the state                                                                                     
   · No gas pipeline                                                                                                            
  · Existing mines exhausted and no new mines brought on-                                                                       
     line                                                                                                                       
   · Crushing energy costs                                                                                                      
   · Importation of LNG to meet Railbelt energy needs                                                                           
   · Federal overreach transforms state into a national                                                                         
     park                                                                                                                       
   · State population declines                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:44:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Edgmon addressed  the issue  of partnerships                                                                    
and queried ways to work  with federal government, including                                                                    
educating   federal  agencies   about  Alaskan   experience.                                                                    
Commissioner  Sullivan agreed  that litigation  was not  the                                                                    
preferred  way  to deal  with  the  federal government.  The                                                                    
agency  had  been  exploring other  ways.  He  provided  the                                                                    
example  of  establishing  an endangered  species  taskforce                                                                    
among  state attorneys  general.  He  noted frustrations  in                                                                    
working with  the federal  government on  Endangered Species                                                                    
Act  (ESA)  issues,  including a  lack  of  opportunity  for                                                                    
input. For  example, the state  had had only  24-hour notice                                                                    
regarding  the critical  habitat designation  for the  polar                                                                    
bear. He reported that he  had gone to federal officials and                                                                    
that  he  had  not  been satisfied  with  the  results.  For                                                                    
example, he met  with a federal official  regarding the Wild                                                                    
Lands  designation in  attempt to  establish a  partnership,                                                                    
but came away without real results for Alaska.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:48:11 PM                                                                                                                    
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2:56:04 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
^BUDGET OVERVIEW: DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:56:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BECKY HULTBERG, COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION,                                                                    
provided  an  overview  of   the  department's  budget.  She                                                                    
explained that  she had been  commissioner for  three weeks,                                                                    
although  she was  familiar with  the  functioning of  state                                                                    
government. She  described the Department  of Administration                                                                    
(DOA) as  an agency  that served as  a support  function for                                                                    
state  government as  well as  provided  direct services  to                                                                    
Alaskans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg indicated a  handout to the committee,                                                                    
"DOA  Challenges  and  Initiatives FY2011/FY2012"  (copy  on                                                                    
file), which  detailed information  about the  department by                                                                    
division. She  summarized that overall DOA  had nearly 1,100                                                                    
employees and an overall budget of around $308 million.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze  requested  that future  handouts  to  the                                                                    
Finance Committee be presented on department letterhead.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Public Defender Agency                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hultberg  began  her review  with  the  Public                                                                    
Defender agency.  The core  services of  the agency  were to                                                                    
(1) communicate  legal rights,  legal process,  charges, and                                                                    
evidence;  (2)  investigate   allegations  and  viable  case                                                                    
strategies; and (3) represent  clients in court proceedings.                                                                    
She  added that  the  public defender  agency maintained  13                                                                    
offices  statewide; in  FY  10,  it experienced  significant                                                                    
statewide  caseload  growth   of  approximately  10  percent                                                                    
overall,  with  significant  growth   in  the  Northern  and                                                                    
Northwest areas.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg continued that  the number of conflict                                                                    
cases had  climbed steadily following the  implementation of                                                                    
the agency's  paralegal program;  conflict cases must  go to                                                                    
the Office of Public Advocacy.  In FY 10, the conflict cases                                                                    
comprised just over 15 percent  of the caseload. In order to                                                                    
reduce  the  number of  conflict  cases,  one of  the  major                                                                    
initiatives  the   public  defender  agency   undertook  was                                                                    
defining  and implementing  a  new  conflict procedure  that                                                                    
would hopefully reduce the number of cases.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hultberg detailed  that the  paralegal program                                                                    
has been successful  and had allowed the  agency to complete                                                                    
lower-level  tasks   using  paralegals  at  a   lower  cost,                                                                    
resulting in absorbing more caseload.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Office of Public Advocacy                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hultberg reported  that the  Office of  Public                                                                    
Advocacy  (OPA)  provided  legal,  guardian  ad  litem,  and                                                                    
public   guardian    representation.   In    addition,   OPA                                                                    
represented individuals  in conflict  cases from  the public                                                                    
defender agency. Caseload growth has  been an issue for OPA,                                                                    
especially conflict  cases. She stated that  caseload growth                                                                    
in mandatory case assignments increased  by 20 percent in FY                                                                    
10 and that criminal cases increased by 35 percent.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hultberg continued  that the  number of  cases                                                                    
open in January  2011 was 21 percent higher  than in January                                                                    
2010. Public guardian functions had increased as well.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg outlined initiatives taken by OPA:                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
   · The Y-K Delta Court Appointed Special Advocate (CASA)                                                                      
     program was established and the first CASA class                                                                           
     graduated in Bethel in November, 2010.                                                                                     
   · In October 2010, the first ever biennial joint                                                                             
     Department of Law, Department of Administration                                                                            
     (Office of Public Advocacy & Public Defender Agency)                                                                       
     and Judiciary Conference was held.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Office of Administrative Hearings                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hultberg described  the core  services of  the                                                                    
Office  of  Administrative   Hearings  (OAH)  as  conducting                                                                    
hearings  and alternative  dispute  resolution processes  to                                                                    
resolve   administrative   cases   (appeals   and   original                                                                    
actions). She  noted that variable  caseloads were  the most                                                                    
significant challenge  for OAH because the  issue has caused                                                                    
difficulty in the collection of interagency receipts.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Hultberg   reported   that  OAH   has   taken                                                                    
initiative in  alternative dispute resolution.  Mediation in                                                                    
particular has been a successful  tactic. She added that OAH                                                                    
has  been  a  "victim  of  its  own  success"  in  that  the                                                                    
situation has  contributed to  the difficulty  in collection                                                                    
of  interagency   receipts  because  the  cases   have  been                                                                    
resolved more efficiently and effectively.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Alaska Public Offices Commission (APOC)                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hultberg highlighted  a significant  challenge                                                                    
for  APOC, the  Insight project  to allow  electronic filing                                                                    
for disclosure reports. She maintained  that the project had                                                                    
been  difficult   to  implement.  The  lobbyist   model  was                                                                    
complete; lobbyists  and their employees could  file online.                                                                    
However,   the  campaign   and  public   official  financial                                                                    
disclosure  modules  still  needed   to  be  developed.  The                                                                    
problem was caused by cost  overruns and missed deadlines in                                                                    
the original procurement.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:02:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Thomas   communicated   concerns   about   "rude"                                                                    
responses by  the agency to requests  from legislative staff                                                                    
for a  summary report of regulations.  Commissioner Hultberg                                                                    
reported  similar  concerns and  referred  to  a meeting  in                                                                    
December 2010 where  a decision was made not to  allow for a                                                                    
public workshop.  There was another meeting  in January 2011                                                                    
and the  commission decided  to move  forward with  a public                                                                    
workshop. She  stated that there  would be  more information                                                                    
available about the regulatory process.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze referred to similar inquiries.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (AOGCC)                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg directed  attention to the description                                                                    
of  the oil  and  gas commission's  responsibilities in  the                                                                    
handout.  She  highlighted  that  in  light  of  the  recent                                                                    
disaster  in the  Gulf  of Mexico,  AOGCC  was conducting  a                                                                    
thorough  review  to  identify   any  necessary  changes  or                                                                    
additions   to  their   regulations  to   improve  oversight                                                                    
capabilities  and ensure  safety in  Alaska. One  result was                                                                    
recognition  of the  need to  hire  an additional  petroleum                                                                    
engineer and a petroleum inspector.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Enterprise Technology Services (ETS)                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hultberg highlighted  challenges for  ETS. The                                                                    
lease expires on  the Anchorage Data Center  facility at the                                                                    
end  of   2011  and  alternate   space  had  not   yet  been                                                                    
identified. The department needed  to deal with the physical                                                                    
plant, and at  the same time technology  was changing; there                                                                    
was  opportunity  to  virtualize a  significant  portion  of                                                                    
servers.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg  continued that another  challenge for                                                                    
ETS was addressing deferred maintenance  needs for the State                                                                    
of Alaska Telecommunications  System (microwave) (SATS). She                                                                    
detailed that the department was  currently in year two of a                                                                    
five-year  plan to  update the  system,  at the  cost of  $3                                                                    
million each year.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:05:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative    Guttenberg   thought    the   department's                                                                    
statement (in the handout) that  bandwidth need increased 10                                                                    
percent each year minimized the  actual demand for increased                                                                    
bandwidth. He stated that the  need for bandwidth technology                                                                    
was exponential.  He pointed out  that the U.S.  was lagging                                                                    
behind  the rest  of  the industrial  world  and Alaska  was                                                                    
lagging considerably behind that.  He referred to discussion                                                                    
with  Commissioner Bell  (Department of  Commerce, Community                                                                    
and Economic Development) and urged  DOA to work with her to                                                                    
expand  capabilities across  the state.  He emphasized  that                                                                    
the ability of small businesses  to function in parts of the                                                                    
state that were  not on the main lines was  a major problem.                                                                    
He noted that  the state was located close to  90 percent of                                                                    
the  industrial world,  which had  the  potential of  making                                                                    
Alaska a  good place  to do business.  Commissioner Hultberg                                                                    
responded  that DOA  was  working with  DCCED  to deal  with                                                                    
bandwidth  and  was  working on  regulations  as  well.  She                                                                    
agreed that  all areas  of the state  should have  access to                                                                    
high-speed connections.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Division of Retirement and Benefits                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hultberg  highlighted  significant  challenges                                                                    
for the Division of Retirement  and Benefits. She emphasized                                                                    
the  need to  improve the  service center  and remediate  or                                                                    
replace inadequate or  obsolete data-processing systems. She                                                                    
referred to efforts to address the problem, including:                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
   · Core retirement system repair and stabilization,                                                                           
   · Core system security improvements,                                                                                         
  · Core system back-up and disaster recovery capability,                                                                       
   · Peripheral system replacement or elimination, and                                                                          
   · Document imaging conversion from film to digital.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hultberg  referred  to the  microfilm  library                                                                    
that was being converted to digital.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Guttenberg  stated that  he had heard  from a                                                                    
significant number  of retirees who were  concerned that the                                                                    
state was only bringing  active employee plans into allowing                                                                    
coverage of dependents up to age  26. He asked why the state                                                                    
did not  bring the retirees as  well, as the cost  would not                                                                    
be  significant. Commissioner  Hultberg  responded that  the                                                                    
federal  legislation  required   that  active  employees  be                                                                    
brought  in  and  did not  address  retired  employees.  The                                                                    
department's  plan  for retirees  had  not  changed; it  was                                                                    
adding dependants under 26 for active employees.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg  queried  the  economic  analysis                                                                    
used  when  deciding  to leave  retirees  out.  Commissioner                                                                    
Hultberg offered to get back with an answer.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hultberg   continued  with  the   Division  of                                                                    
Retirement and Benefits, opining  that the increased cost of                                                                    
healthcare  for  both  active  and  retired  members  was  a                                                                    
significant  burden  on the  state.  She  believed that  the                                                                    
unfunded  liability was  a significant  concern, as  well as                                                                    
the coverage of dependants up to age 26.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:09:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Thomas  asked   how  the   quality  of   Alaska's                                                                    
healthcare ranked  compared to other states  in the country.                                                                    
Commissioner Hultberg offered to get the information.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Division of Risk Management                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hultberg described  the core  services of  the                                                                    
division  as   claims  processing,   litigation  management,                                                                    
contract review,  insurance administration,  and consulting.                                                                    
She  noted the  challenge of  new reporting  requirements to                                                                    
the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hultberg   stated  that  the   department  was                                                                    
excited  about  an  initiative called  the  Return  to  Work                                                                    
Program; Risk Management has been  working with the Division                                                                    
of Personnel and the Division  of Retirement and Benefits on                                                                    
the program.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair Fairclough  returned to  the subject  of updating                                                                    
data  processing and  asked whether  the administration  was                                                                    
reviewing  the  state's   procurement  system  and  process.                                                                    
Commissioner Hultberg  responded that  she did not  know but                                                                    
offered to get more information.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hultberg  returned  to   the  Return  to  Work                                                                    
Program  and  detailed that  there  was  only a  50  percent                                                                    
chance that an  injured employee would return  to work after                                                                    
a  six-month  absence;  after six  months,  there  was  less                                                                    
chance that the  worker would return. The  program would try                                                                    
to get injured workers back to work quickly.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neuman asked whether  the program was for all                                                                    
employees  in Alaska.  Commissioner Hultberg  responded that                                                                    
the program was for state employees.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Neuman queried  the  process for  retraining                                                                    
older  people  who  have been  injured.  He  questioned  the                                                                    
expense   of   retraining  older   employees.   Commissioner                                                                    
Hultberg  responded that  the program  was built  around the                                                                    
fact that an  injured worker was being paid  to remain home,                                                                    
which was  not optimal  for the state  or for  the long-term                                                                    
career  prospects of  the worker.  She offered  to get  more                                                                    
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:14:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair  Fairclough  asked  whether  there  would  be  an                                                                    
overview of  how the changes  in the federal  healthcare law                                                                    
would  affect Alaska.  She referred  to high  Medicaid costs                                                                    
that could  increase because  of new  reporting requirements                                                                    
to   the  federal   government   connected  with   workmen's                                                                    
compensation claims and torte settlements.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg  questioned  different  reporting                                                                    
requirements  in  different   municipalities  in  the  state                                                                    
related  to  Medicaid  and Medicare.  Commissioner  Hultberg                                                                    
offered to  get more  information. She  noted that  the item                                                                    
listed  was  specific  to  workers  compensation  and  other                                                                    
claims, and was fairly narrow.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Division of Motor Vehicles (DMV)                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg noted  that one significant initiative                                                                    
by  the DMV  was a  program initiated  in January  to enable                                                                    
people to  renew licenses  and identification  cards online.                                                                    
The service  would especially  benefit individuals  that did                                                                    
not have a DMV office in their community.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Costello  questioned the ability  to purchase                                                                    
or  renew fishing  licenses  through  the DMV.  Commissioner                                                                    
Hultberg responded  that the department was  willing to look                                                                    
into the idea.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Thomas thought  the idea  could create  income for                                                                    
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stoltze commented  that  the DMV  ran better  when                                                                    
employees  were excited  to be  there. He  referred to  past                                                                    
division  directors.  He  thought   the  DMV  was  the  most                                                                    
improved aspect  of visible local government  and thought it                                                                    
was a good template for other divisions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-chair Fairclough  returned to  the question  of fishing                                                                    
license renewal  as well as  the ability to  renew concealed                                                                    
weapon  permits and  marriage licenses.  She commented  that                                                                    
people needed a centralized  place to renew licenses, access                                                                    
state services,  or at least get  the forms to fill  out and                                                                    
submit.  Commissioner Hultberg  stated  that the  department                                                                    
would take a serious look at the issue.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:19:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stoltze commented that it  was difficult to wait in                                                                    
line  for   government  services  and  requested   that  the                                                                    
department prioritize the needs of the customer.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Division of Finance                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Hultberg  noted  that   the  services  of  the                                                                    
division  affected   mainly  state  functioning.   The  core                                                                    
services   include  accounting,   payroll  processing,   and                                                                    
centralized travel.  She pointed to the  division initiative                                                                    
of  automation of  travel approvals  and reimbursement.  The                                                                    
initiative  was  in  the  final  stages  and  would  further                                                                    
improve efficiency related to state travel.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Hultberg   continued   that  the   time   and                                                                    
attendance  project (Alaska  Statewide  System for  Employee                                                                    
Time, or ASSET)  would impact most employees  and was moving                                                                    
from paper to online entry  or time clocks to streamline the                                                                    
practice throughout the system.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner     Hultberg     described    the     Statewide                                                                    
Administrative  Systems   Replacement  project   to  replace                                                                    
current  systems (ASSET  was part  of this  larger process).                                                                    
She  stated  that  the  department   was  using  Best  Value                                                                    
methodology  from  Arizona  State University  to  procure  a                                                                    
system.  Implementation efforts  were expected  to begin  in                                                                    
July of 2011 and would take a number of years.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Division of Personnel                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg explained  that the division performed                                                                    
many of  the human-resources functions of  state government.                                                                    
She  highlighted the  division's initiative  related to  the                                                                    
classification  system.   The  current   job  classification                                                                    
system would  be replaced with a  point-factor method, which                                                                    
would reduce subjectivity in  the classifications. She noted                                                                    
that the  ASSET project  in the finance  division was  a key                                                                    
partner in the initiative.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Alaska Public Broadcasting                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg noted  that Alaska Public Broadcasting                                                                    
was   administratively  housed   in  DOA.   She  highlighted                                                                    
workforce challenges, including  new standards for emergency                                                                    
alerts and  the need to  control costs and raise  revenue to                                                                    
sustain current levels of service.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:23:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Hultberg pointed out  that the FY 11 increments                                                                    
were not summarized  on one piece of paper,  but stated that                                                                    
she would get the information to the committee.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Thomas  commented that  he had  received complaints                                                                    
related  to  Alaska  Public   Broadcasting  about  the  poor                                                                    
response time  when the system stopped  functioning in rural                                                                    
Alaska.  He noted  that he  supported public  radio and  had                                                                    
helped start KHNS in Haines.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Doogan  requested  totals  for  the  current                                                                    
year's operating  budget and  total increments  requested in                                                                    
next year's  budget. Commissioner Hultberg replied  that DOA                                                                    
was  requesting   $308  million  in  operating   funds.  The                                                                    
increment requested  for the upcoming  fiscal year  was $1.6                                                                    
million; the majority  was federal or other  funds and there                                                                    
was a small amount of general funds.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 3:26 PM.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
DOA Budget Overview FY2011-FY2012.doc HFIN 1/24/2011 1:30:00 PM
HFC DNR FY12 Overview for 1-24-2011 (2).pdf HFIN 1/24/2011 1:30:00 PM